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PostSubject: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:58 am

In The United States, The night of the presidential election, everyone was geared up to see who would win. However under a lot of peoples noses outside a handful of states, true freedom was going under vote.

http://www.policeone.com/federal-law-enforcement/articles/6030211-Marijuana-legalized-in-historic-votes-for-Colo-and-Wash/

During the night of election, The vote for the legal use of anyone to posess marijuana was passed in the states of Washington and Colorado. Oregon had a similar state vote up but did not pass. Massachusetts passed law for Medical marijuana

This is a very historic time in history, since the main country that has influenced several others, with decades of false propaganda, has its own citizens passing state laws to end this useless fight against whats right. How the federal level of government (that which works with law between state borders) will react to this is uncertain, but if turned violent by the government then dark times would be ahead.

This is just one step forward, as it will take to to incorporate proper handling of this historic change. Estimated a full year before it is truely put into doctrine and legal by the state.

So how do you guys feel about this? It is a very important topic not just by those who use the plant, but by those who believe in freedom and the peoples voice. How will this change the future of the entire country as well as law worldwide? Will lawful action be taken by the feds? "The Times are changing"
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:43 am

Dont agree with marijuana unless a doctor prescribed it

Same with any drug really imo unless a doctor says to use it then it shouldn't

Only exception imo is paracetamol etc

But I dont want that legalized in the UK if it did I would consider saving up money and leaving before more of that gets legalized

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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:17 pm

Great, that's just what we need in this country. More kids running around smoking weed. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:29 pm

I'm going to start a business called Munchies! It'll have TVs, video games, music, couches, maybe a bed to pass out on, lots of smoking devices, a whole bunch of MUNCHIES and an assorted array of weed from all over the world. Like those candy stores with the dispensers!
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:52 pm

I`m Against this , this law should have been passed, not right now, to pass a law of that Proportion , first the federal goverment would have to create a Educational Program( yeah i know there are plenty of them, but not with the enough impact that is needed) to disencourage people of Consuming Marijuana.

World isnt prepared to see Marijuana Legalized, why? because people still think its "recreational" , but marijuana doesnt solve your life Problems, doesnt give you friends.

"but it will reduce the crime rates relating to drug smugglin and muders related to it": yeah, but lets get the root, there is drug smugglin because SOME PEOPLE want it because its "recreational and exiting".


well in a few word, marijuana can only be Legalized if the people are aware of its danger, and a Goverment have enough infrastructure to take on its hands the challenges that will come; Right now i dont think the US goverment, or any goverment in the world have that capacity.


just my opinion, lol im not a CNN analist
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:45 pm

Now that it will be legal, how many people will begin getting behind the wheel of an automobile, high?

The U.S. population s full of nit-wits. Giving in doesn't solve anything. If you are tired of the cartels, fight them off the borders, stop letting them come through.

I have to walk everywhere, and I DO NOT want to have to worry about people here being high while texting & driving. That thought makes me want to be in a bubble. This world is so conforming, it's scary.

BUT, it is still illegal on the Federal level, so it can affect trying to get a job, etc.

I am fine with people who use mind/body altering items, but please do so in your own area. Don't go around in public, and what not. Not everyone wants to be a part of it...
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:03 pm

I read this also, Colorado had once stopped the dispensers down here.

there was at least 3-4 in each city in colorado.

colorado springs and glenwood had 3-5

i live in Grand Junction, Colorado.
illegal trade here isn't bad, but its here.

because the government can't make a cent off of it, then nobody should lolz =D or grab the bigger money bag from it =D

now its a legal

to people that agree the doctors should give the ok, people are faking the needs just to get an ounce in the pocket and 4 mature planets in the house to use and sell so technically legalizing it wouldn't make a difference

state and fed will always butt heads on the this stuff.

p.s if the English isn't correct, i just woke up when typing this out. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:16 pm

Netherlands seem to manage it okay. But I'm still against legalisation
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:38 pm

I enjoy debating this topic, and respect everyones opinion. Although that is why discussions like this are always good



totalwarrior6780 wrote:
Dont agree with marijuana unless a doctor prescribed it

Same with any drug really imo unless a doctor says to use it then it shouldn't

Only exception imo is paracetamol etc

But I dont want that legalized in the UK if it did I would consider saving up money and leaving before more of that gets legalized


Well people should be prescribed coffee and energy drinks? or cough medicine?
Bottom line its a plant, that grows, thats part of this world. It would really just be a matter of time
till people grow comfortable with it like they have cigarettes and alcohol.


C_KiLaSpEeD_G wrote:
Great, that's just what we need in this country. More kids running around smoking weed. Rolling Eyes

Technically if kids wanted to smoke weed, they could get it easier illegal. I know I was able to get weed before someone to buy me beer.
Psychologically speaking "kids" interest usually pertains to what people are afraid of and tell them to stay away from, due to its taboo nature.



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I'm going to start a business called Munchies! It'll have TVs, video games, music, couches, maybe a bed to pass out on, lots of smoking devices, a whole bunch of MUNCHIES and an assorted array of weed from all over the world. Like those candy stores with the dispensers!

Thats the spirit Trister Smile open up a safe business


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I`m Against this , this law should have been passed, not right now, to pass a law of that Proportion , first the federal goverment would have to create a Educational Program( yeah i know there are plenty of them, but not with the enough impact that is needed) to disencourage people of Consuming Marijuana.

World isnt prepared to see Marijuana Legalized, why? because people still think its "recreational" , but marijuana doesnt solve your life Problems, doesnt give you friends.

"but it will reduce the crime rates relating to drug smugglin and muders related to it": yeah, but lets get the root, there is drug smugglin because SOME PEOPLE want it because its "recreational and exiting".


well in a few word, marijuana can only be Legalized if the people are aware of its danger, and a Goverment have enough infrastructure to take on its hands the challenges that will come; Right now i dont think the US goverment, or any goverment in the world have that capacity.


just my opinion, lol im not a CNN analist

Federal Government did have propaganda created against it, mostly false propaganda that made you believe its worse then what it is. The Feds have been discouraging people about it for decades, with lies and ridicilous punishment.
Marijuana is legalized as well as all other drugs in Portugal, they are handling it fine, drug use has greatly decreased as well as youths are turning away from it.
Only reason why their is this "smoke if your cool mentality" use to its rebellious nature.
The real root of drug smuggling is that you smuggle because its illegal, and the want for something will not disappear. And it is recreational medically, spiritually, and historically. Prove me wrong.
Will you also be so happy as to state what dangers you believe marijuana has? There are some, but people opinions on this are often warped, so I would like to hear what you think they are.
Once again, Already at least one country handling it just fine. By forcing people to not do something it creates more problems.


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Now that it will be legal, how many people will begin getting behind the wheel of an automobile, high?

The U.S. population s full of nit-wits. Giving in doesn't solve anything. If you are tired of the cartels, fight them off the borders, stop letting them come through.

I have to walk everywhere, and I DO NOT want to have to worry about people here being high while texting & driving. That thought makes me want to be in a bubble. This world is so conforming, it's scary.

BUT, it is still illegal on the Federal level, so it can affect trying to get a job, etc.

I am fine with people who use mind/body altering items, but please do so in your own area. Don't go around in public, and what not. Not everyone wants to be a part of it...


Aw, splinter :\ someone a fan of the mafia days I would have believed to have a better opinion on this considering prohibition on alcohol. And would also know about the vast amount of propaganda against marijuana back then.
Well, unless were talking about WWII where they made it alright again for product, then changed it again.
As for people getting behind an automobile high, do you think that people aren't already doing that?
I hate to burst your bubble of mental protection, but people are driving high around you all the time. Once again, marijuana is easy to get.
As for fighting the cartels, thats been done for decades as well, not working, wasting money, costing countless lives, as well as making a few feds rich and cartels. If you know of a better plan I'd like to hear it.
If this world was conforming then they would be against legalization, its people finally stepping up and fighting against conformity for the true better of freedom and good. Lose your fear of freedom.
Even if its legal on all levels, it will still be drug tested against. I have a medical profession and I quit smoking because they would be against that, just as sure as I am they still will be. If you want a job, then you quit, I am all for that.
Most people do do it in their own area, out of fear of being arrested and locked away for life for a joint.



I can keep going on this guys, but please open your eyes to the reality of this. Research the truth yourself of what marijuana is, its history and the lies that have been thrown at it.
Two states would not be going up against one of the most powerful nations in the world if they didn't feel they were doing the right thing.
Like I said this isn't only a matter of the truth, its a matter of freedom to decide where you live whats best.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:10 pm

C_KiLaSpEeD_G wrote:
Great, that's just what we need in this country. More kids running around smoking weed. Rolling Eyes
Actually sir, with the government taxing weed and regulating it it would be harder for kids to find someone who will be selling since the prices will go way down and no dealer can make money off it. Also since it will be in stores most likely like alcohol it will be much much harder for kids to get an adult to go buy it for them. Like in the state of CA I can walk a mile from my house and find at least 5 dealers to get me marijuana but you cant find a single person to get you alcohol. So imo if weed is legalized it will be harder for kids to smoke unless their parents are doing it
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:12 pm

ALSO if weed is legalized across the entire US it would literally bring in BILLIONS of dollars of revenue to the US government bringing us out of debt and open of millions of jobs to America to start growing and trimming the plants. and 1 acre of hemp is equal to 20 acres of trees for paper. so EXTREMELY enviroment friendly.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:17 pm

There's a lot of good and bad points here. But for the majority I'd have to agree with Deezius' debates.

Cartel, yes we have been fighting them. How many hours, manpower, money (funded and taxes), and lives have gone into fighting them. Well now a little less since businesses are going to start popping up selling locally, that's less the Cartel will be needed and more money going back into our system.

Speaking of fighting, the police, same as fighting the Cartel how many officers, time, money have they put in busting them, consumed prison cells and the tax dollars. Now more time, manpower, and money can be put towards going after the more dangerous criminals. We're talking about thousands per state and probably hundred thousands nationally. Do you want an officer to spend his time tracking down, arresting, filing paperwork for a drug bust, or spend his time finding murders, rapist, and kidnaps?

Get behind a car? People that have been high do that all the time. You might as well say the same for driving drunk. Thing is, in a way it doesn't matter, they've been doing it and they'll continue to do it, but what remains is that you'll be charged with an OUI just the same.

You have to walk everywhere? Have you read the law? It's still illegal for you to smoke it in public, for you to drive high, for you to obtain certain jobs. The law is basically saying you can grow it, smoke it in certain places, and even carry it on you; most likely an ounce and only if you 21+. So basically the same rules apply as alcohol.

Taxes: think of all the extra money we could have been gaining if we had legalized it Eons ago; and now we can. All the taxes going towards anti-weed programs, law enforcement, prisons.

So no, I don't see this as a bad thing. And I believe more states will follow once they get the reports in. Mass is almost there by allowing you to carry.


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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:20 pm

My great grandpa was a bootlegger in the '30s as well as operating an illegal casino out of a barn. He was friends with alot of chicago mobsters too and hunted with them often. I like Ron Pauls approach, but I don't smoke weed so I don't care much.

And billions of dollars and millions of jobs is quite an exaggeration.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:17 pm

well Deezius, now that you told me all that, i shall agree with you and trister xD, thats a good point.

but that can happen on the US or europe, but i dont think, my country, COLOMBIA, would be ready for this, you know??

50 years fighting the guerilla and drug cartels have gave us the image that drug can only be solved through erradication and burning of the planting fields, wich have worked this past 10 years .


Also, indepent of if its good or bad, one thing its sure, it will change many parts of our current Culture and World view
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:22 pm

Hey deathdealerr, it isn't TRULY legal in the Netherlands, but it is allowed. You can only have 5 plants to grow it. You can only have a maximum of 5 grams in your possesion. You cannot use it in public except designated areas ( coffee shops ) and you aren't allowed to have it on you at all in zero-tolerance zones ( city centers, events etc ).

The fact that you can aquire it legally for a reasonable price and are allowed to produce for yourself in minor quantities has pretty much pushed organized crime out of the dutch soft-drugs market. Only some small time dealers try to undercut the coffee shops

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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:27 pm

Yeah I know Sryan, I was generalising, I know you're not all running around high Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:31 pm

I may have Al Capone as my avatar, but I am not a fan of the Mafia, just to make things clear.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:40 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:27 pm

I didn't say you were a fan of the mafia splinter, infact I was implying the opposite. Of course you have a curiousity and interest in those times and how our nation grew, I believed you would understand how our nation grows against mindless laws like this. Furthermore I was implying your negative feelings to the mafia in my response in hopes that you would understand that prohibition was pointless, because it just gave the mafia huge power. How it eventually crumbled apart due to the fall of prohibition. This is history repeating itself for the better (not a simple and copy repeat, but a general relation) that the Cartels have power, take away their business, they have no power. Give it to legitimate business workers.

Solve our business disputes in court, not on the streets with guns
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:44 pm

I know prohibition was pointless. Even the authorities drank.

History always repeats itself, that is why we should learn from the past, to help make the future better.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:05 am

Yah my great grandpa had the district attorney warn him everytime there would be a raid so he was never caught. Thats a great example of what you just said your welcome splinter
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:09 am

Honestly, i do smoke my share of weed. It is very easy to obtain, normally around here it gos 20 a G. legalizing it would make it much harder to obtain but would nring in a larger revenue stream. also i smoke cigs. weed is better for you. The only problem i think i can see is big companies end up selling it and putting fillers and jacking up the prices
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:37 am

Drugs get you high and make you feel good. You get addicted to them. They are material substances and illegal street commodities. They are absolute items of luxury and vice and serve zero beneficial or necessary purpose, expect under specific medical circumstances. They are not a representation of freedom or the lack thereof nor would their continued illegal status be dark or a reason for revolution or war.

In such a decadent party loving society such as the United States, I would be against drug legalization. The people in the United States are too irresponsible, feeble minded, and incapable of responsible so-called recreational drug use.

Even alcohol has continued to plague our society. In the end, prohibition doesn't work. The people will go to extreme lengths to fight it. The end users want the pleasure from the product and the people in between like the money and power it brings.

I won't pretend to know a solution but its not legalization, but its not prohibition in its current form either. Not sure. All I know is, if any revolution erupted over drugs I would firmly be on the side putting it down. A fight over such a pathetic Want would sicken me.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:56 am

I have to agree Insevin.

The American people think they are entitled to partying and what not. Just look what happens when their team wins a game. Destruction of a city. The party hards go around, high, and destroy alot, and think they are immune to a lot. I have seen it first hand (and no, I do not and will not use drugs), as I have seen what they do first hand.

A war over drugs would be plainly pathetic. Drugs used for recreation should NOT be used, find something productive. If you need it for medication to ease the pain, sure, but people need to stop coming up with the stupidest excuses to get it "my toes hut, gimme pot". I mean, come on.

Also, drugs mess with peoples' mental state, I dont give a F*** if pot is a plant. It is, by defintion, a drug. It alters the mental state, like cocaine, alcohol, meth, etc. It's all the same.

If you feel the need to use, use it on your own, away from others. I don't want myself or my family to smell that stuff, and don't want to hear people bragging about it to me. Like so many like to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Marijuana Passed for Recreational Use in USA   Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:02 am

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Just look what happens when their team wins a game. Destruction of a city. The party hards go around, high, and destroy alot, and think they are immune to a lot. I have seen it first hand (and no, I do not and will not use drugs), as I have seen what they do first hand.
That sounds like WVU......... especially after the Texas game
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